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English/Re: " You cannot have been always at longbourn!"

May 10, 2016 11:56PM
Agnes, I think your English, as a second language, is better than a lot of English-only speakers. English is not an easy language to learn the first time, much less as a second language. Where I am, we get a lot of former Mexicans, and with neighbors, I think I have seen some of the difficulties.

One, English is not a *pure* language. It may have been at one time, but Arthur was king in Camelot probably then. Since then, English has hid in the alleys and mugged other languages for words. So where other languages may have only one word for a concept, with English, hit the thesaurus for the best one. And this does not get into the topic of synonyms, because while "kill," "murder," and "execute" may be listed as synonyms, the meanings are so different, that using the wrong word in a court of law could be perjury. For example, the Commandment in the kjv "thou shall not kill" may have been correct during King Henry V, it is a lie in modern English, because "murder" (French?) is closer to the Hebrew verb.

Two, English has homonyms and brogue spellings. Homonyms are screwey because they are spell checked correct. Is it "there," over "their," or "they'res?" I live in a "hows" but in Yorkshire, I suspect I live in a "ho-use."

Three, English is probably the least tonal dependent language on the planet. The only use of tonality I know is the rising tone at the end of a question. When I tried to learn Thai, with its 5 different ways of saying "ma" that was too complicated, partially because colloguial Thai was not distinctive in the tones for tone deaf to get the differences between a horse, mother, water, or whatever, and rarely the subject matter was a help or a clue. Learning a language involve grammar and vocabulary, and if the vocabulary is a song, then complication get cubed.

Vocabulary lead to a fourth factor that may confuse English as second language. We English first are used to a slow syllable rate as we compose our sentences on the fly, picking the best synonym. English is complicated enough that complex meanings can be put into fewer syllables, and thus slower, which may be why it is the international air controller language; like French international diplomatic. Listen to a Texan. And then listen to a German whose words have many syllables and they, like Mexican speakers, have a high syllable rate that make hearing and understanding difficult. No doubt the vocabulary variations make English difficult, even if slow.

And I think syllable rate is an impediment. I read the English, most of the Spanish, and most of the French "Warnings" on a plastic bag. Because many of the words in these three languages have the same Latin roots, I can recognise enough to avoid a snake pit: Maybe. I was amused that "Warning:" in Spanish and French have the same root as "Advertisement." Advertisements try to sell me something: Warnings tell me to back off.

Here in these Jane Austen sites, we are dealing with text 200 years old, from a Georgian and Regency culture, and we have a lot of American, Australian, British, Canadian, &c. dialects. Writing styles, e.g. on speaker tags: I am a Nazi about having one speaker per paragraph or run-on. Change speakers? New paragraph. That should make it easier to convert my stories to scripts.

My speakers do not "cry" unless they are "weeping," "bawling," or a better synonym I conjure at the time. In fact, I got so gusdustipated with the "said" tag, that I omitted it until recently when I got the idea that most of the time, the speakers just "Say" something.

Well. I see by the short vertical slider that I must be about to go down a rabbit hole. Therefore, if anyone want a discourse on English, maybe that better be a new thread.



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" You cannot have been always at longbourn!"

Jim G.MMay 08, 2016 01:38PM

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Jim G.MMay 10, 2016 06:20PM

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Suzanne OMay 10, 2016 07:48PM

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Jim G.MMay 10, 2016 10:09PM

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Agnes BeatrixMay 09, 2016 11:23AM

English/Re: " You cannot have been always at longbourn!"

Rae ElaineMay 10, 2016 11:56PM

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Mari A.May 11, 2016 06:59AM

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Sarah WaldockMay 09, 2016 07:49PM

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Jim G.MMay 09, 2016 11:07PM

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Agnes BeatrixMay 10, 2016 06:44AM

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PeterMay 09, 2016 04:39PM

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Jim G.MMay 09, 2016 02:07PM

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RebeccaLSMay 08, 2016 03:59PM

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Jim G.MMay 08, 2016 06:28PM

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Jean M.May 08, 2016 05:48PM

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Rae ElaineMay 09, 2016 12:48AM

But Darcy doesn't know that about the Gardiners at that point in the novel.

GracielaMay 09, 2016 07:01PM

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Jim G.MMay 09, 2016 11:04AM

This has always been my interpretation as well. (nfm)

PeterMay 09, 2016 12:08AM

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Rae ElaineMay 08, 2016 03:11PM

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MichelleAMay 08, 2016 05:37PM

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Jim G.MMay 08, 2016 10:48PM

Re: I read it that way too, Michelle (nfm)

Sarah WaldockMay 08, 2016 07:46PM

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Jim G.MMay 08, 2016 06:57PM



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